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19:01 < zere> minutes of the last meeting. apologies - i haven't written the summary yet http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes/EWG_2012-03-12
19:01 < TomH> err...... aren't you an hour late?
19:01 < TomH> or are we stickiing to gmt?
19:02 < zere> we can wait until next week for approval of the minutes, as the summary isn't available yet...
19:02 < zere> yeah, EWG meeting times are GMT... rather than faff around with daylight savings i thought we'd keep them at the same time.
19:03 < zere> more predictable that way, given that the DST changes are always confusing.
19:03 < apmon> particularly as daylight saving is different depending on country
19:05 -!- ajturner is now known as Guest7798
19:05 -!- ajturner [~ajturner@209.155.228.129] has joined #osm-ewg
19:05 < apmon> Whats on todays agenda?
19:06 < zere> i figured that today, license change would be looming large on the agenda. but if anyone wants to add some other business, that would be cool too.
19:09 < zere> ok. license change...
19:09 < zere> there's basically two strands of activity: the rebuild code & associated tests
19:09 < zere> https://github.com/zerebubuth/openstreetmap-license-change
19:10 < zere> this is the code which models the actions of the license change, and it's pretty important to get that stuff right.
19:10 < apmon> Can you give a short summery as to how far along it is?
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19:11 < zere> the edit/redact process is going to be pretty much reversible, so we don't have to be too scared of getting it 100% absolutely correct, or covering absolutely every case, but i'd like to get as close as possible.
19:11 < zere> current status is that i think there's good coverage for nodes and ways (could always be better, though)
19:11 < zere> there's the start of coverage for relations (thanks to RichardF), but that needs more work
19:12 -!- Guest7798 [~ajturner@209.155.228.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:12 < apmon> With coverage, you mean test coverage, or working code coverage?
19:12 < zere> test coverage, in this case.
19:13 < TomH> there is a third strand of activity, namely whatever changes you want made to the rails port code
19:13 < zere> there's a few failing tests in the "needs clarity" case, which are ones where the interpretation is not entirely clear, and LWG has been doing some work on this.
19:14 < zere> TomH: oh, rails port changes were my second strand... "the rebuild code & associated tests" was supposed to only be one strand...
19:15 < zere> so, the second strand - modifying the API & website to support redactions. work has started here: https://github.com/zerebubuth/openstreetmap-website/tree/redaction
19:16 < TomH> yes well let me know when you consider it "done" and I'll review it ;-)
19:16 < zere> but it's not far along. i've added a migration for the new "redaction" type and some tests & methods for old_nodes, but that's pretty much it at the moment. not all the tests pass - as the redact action doesn't actually do anything yet.
19:16 < zere> TomH: i can't persuade you to help out with the implementation?
19:16 -!- Guest7800 [~ajturner@209.155.228.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:17 < TomH> zere: Do you have a few extra hours to add to my day?
19:17 < TomH> I'm spending all ny time helping idiots get into their accounts
19:18 < apmon> zere: I have started looking at it ( https://github.com/apmon/openstreetmap-website/tree/redaction ) but so far it is more or less only a trivial commit
19:18 < zere> apmon: cool, it's a start! :-)
19:19 < apmon> A lot of tests fail for me, but I think that might be because I am using a db with the latest migrations from master, and the redaction branch might be behind
19:19 < RichardF> I can try and look at getting a bunch more relations tests in there, though I'm on WW deadline this week so won't have a whole bunch of time.
19:19 < RichardF> I don't think I'll be much use on the API/website side though ;)
19:19 < zere> sure. any help would be appreciated.
19:25 < apmon> zere: How much time do you have available to invest in finishing the migration code?
19:26 < zere> not a lot. MQ are graciously allowing me some time to work on it this week, but it would be much easier with help.
19:31 < apmon> With respect to Dermot's email about formulating a plan. Your suggestion from yesterday to wait for a complete successful test run before specifying a plan sounds most sensible
19:31 -!- migurski [~migurski@dsl081-049-227.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #osm-ewg
19:32 * migurski sneaks in, sits down in the back of the room
19:34 < zere> i'm afraid discussion has sort of slowed down. we were discussing license change-related code and such.
19:34 < zere> but please feel free to propose something else, if there's anything you'd like to discuss
20:05 < zere> oh, sorry guys - time keeps slipping away... and, to be honest, my attention is elsewhere.
20:05 < zere> apologies & hope this hasn't put you off joining us again next week - 1800h GMT :-)
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19:01 < zere> minutes of the last meeting. apologies - i haven't written the summary yet http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes/EWG_2012-03-12
19:01 < TomH> err...... aren't you an hour late?
19:01 < TomH> or are we stickiing to gmt?
19:02 < zere> we can wait until next week for approval of the minutes, as the summary isn't available yet...
19:02 < zere> yeah, EWG meeting times are GMT... rather than faff around with daylight savings i thought we'd keep them at the same time.
19:03 < zere> more predictable that way, given that the DST changes are always confusing.
19:03 < apmon> particularly as daylight saving is different depending on country
19:05 -!- ajturner is now known as Guest7798
19:05 -!- ajturner [~ajturner@209.155.228.129] has joined #osm-ewg
19:05 < apmon> Whats on todays agenda?
19:06 < zere> i figured that today, license change would be looming large on the agenda. but if anyone wants to add some other business, that would be cool too.
19:09 < zere> ok. license change...
19:09 < zere> there's basically two strands of activity: the rebuild code & associated tests
19:09 < zere> https://github.com/zerebubuth/openstreetmap-license-change
19:10 < zere> this is the code which models the actions of the license change, and it's pretty important to get that stuff right.
19:10 < apmon> Can you give a short summery as to how far along it is?
19:11 -!- ajturner is now known as Guest7800
19:11 -!- ajturner [~ajturner@209.155.228.129] has joined #osm-ewg
19:11 < zere> the edit/redact process is going to be pretty much reversible, so we don't have to be too scared of getting it 100% absolutely correct, or covering absolutely every case, but i'd like to get as close as possible.
19:11 < zere> current status is that i think there's good coverage for nodes and ways (could always be better, though)
19:11 < zere> there's the start of coverage for relations (thanks to RichardF), but that needs more work
19:12 -!- Guest7798 [~ajturner@209.155.228.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:12 < apmon> With coverage, you mean test coverage, or working code coverage?
19:12 < zere> test coverage, in this case.
19:13 < TomH> there is a third strand of activity, namely whatever changes you want made to the rails port code
19:13 < zere> there's a few failing tests in the "needs clarity" case, which are ones where the interpretation is not entirely clear, and LWG has been doing some work on this.
19:14 < zere> TomH: oh, rails port changes were my second strand... "the rebuild code & associated tests" was supposed to only be one strand...
19:15 < zere> so, the second strand - modifying the API & website to support redactions. work has started here: https://github.com/zerebubuth/openstreetmap-website/tree/redaction
19:16 < TomH> yes well let me know when you consider it "done" and I'll review it ;-)
19:16 < zere> but it's not far along. i've added a migration for the new "redaction" type and some tests & methods for old_nodes, but that's pretty much it at the moment. not all the tests pass - as the redact action doesn't actually do anything yet.
19:16 < zere> TomH: i can't persuade you to help out with the implementation?
19:16 -!- Guest7800 [~ajturner@209.155.228.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:17 < TomH> zere: Do you have a few extra hours to add to my day?
19:17 < TomH> I'm spending all ny time helping idiots get into their accounts
19:18 < apmon> zere: I have started looking at it ( https://github.com/apmon/openstreetmap-website/tree/redaction ) but so far it is more or less only a trivial commit
19:18 < zere> apmon: cool, it's a start! :-)
19:19 < apmon> A lot of tests fail for me, but I think that might be because I am using a db with the latest migrations from master, and the redaction branch might be behind
19:19 < RichardF> I can try and look at getting a bunch more relations tests in there, though I'm on WW deadline this week so won't have a whole bunch of time.
19:19 < RichardF> I don't think I'll be much use on the API/website side though ;)
19:19 < zere> sure. any help would be appreciated.
19:25 < apmon> zere: How much time do you have available to invest in finishing the migration code?
19:26 < zere> not a lot. MQ are graciously allowing me some time to work on it this week, but it would be much easier with help.
19:31 < apmon> With respect to Dermot's email about formulating a plan. Your suggestion from yesterday to wait for a complete successful test run before specifying a plan sounds most sensible
19:31 -!- migurski [~migurski@dsl081-049-227.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #osm-ewg
19:32  * migurski sneaks in, sits down in the back of the room
19:34 < zere> i'm afraid discussion has sort of slowed down. we were discussing license change-related code and such.
19:34 < zere> but please feel free to propose something else, if there's anything you'd like to discuss
20:05 < zere> oh, sorry guys - time keeps slipping away... and, to be honest, my attention is elsewhere.
20:05 < zere> apologies & hope this hasn't put you off joining us again next week - 1800h GMT :-)